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Debate with Myrddin Emrys December 2006-12-09

From: Myrddin Emrys

To: Steven Lehar

date  Dec 5, 2006 8:56 PM  

subject  Epistemology of Observation

 

I read through your cartoons explaining your view, and while I have no particular disagreement with your overall interpretation, I strongly disbelieve the physicality of your argument.

Apologies if my arguments duplicate some of those you linked... I deliberately did not read them, so that I wouldn't be infected by their ideas. :-) I'll read them after I send this.

Specifically, I disagree that any coherent, physical, volumetric physical spot within my mind hosts a virtual representation of the world around me. I do agree that all of my perceptions are really my perceiving the workings of my senses... I do agree that it is indirect, as you argue. But I believe that the symbols within my mind are so abstract that it's impossible to point to any one location in my mind and say 'there's the representation of a house!'. There are layers upon layers of abstraction within the mind, that go so deep it's impossible to even understand it. Even a computer genius of the highest caliber would have an impossible time understanding the purpose of a computer program by examining the physical transistors switching off and on inside a processor, assuming they had a way to observe that directly at all. And processors were designed to be logical and orderly... the mind is an evolved instrument, with no requirement to be transparent to our understanding, so I have no belief that there will be a coherent, recognizable representation of reality that we can see within it by examining the low level details of the brain.

Second, there is a strong argument that the more perfect a representation becomes of the world, the more perfectly it simulates reality, the less important the distinction between the representation and reality becomes. For example, look out a window. The photons from the world beyond pass through that window and reach you. When you see a flower, you can reasonably state that you are looking at a flower. Now replace that window with a photosensitive surface that absorbs photons and re-emits them identically on the other side (ie, an invisibility suit). You are no longer seeing the photons that bounced off the flower; instead, you are viewing the emitted copy of those photons, deliberately designed to simulate the light from the flower in as fine a detail as you are able to observe. The 'window' is no longer transparent, but it appears to be as far as you can tell. Are you looking at a flower, or are you looking at a representation of the flower? Does it matter?

With the internal representation of the universe, since we cannot touch it or taste it or measure it (or even FIND it, in my opinion, since I disagree that it is at a definable point within our brain), it becomes difficult to separate the representation from reality. Our observational limits (like our inability to see infrared) are invisible to us because we have little experience beyond them. This is the source of many problems in communication... describing a viewpoint to someone, when that person has no frame of reference to understand the alien viewpoint. The impossibility of describing light to the blind, sound to the deaf, or emotion to the Vulcan.

But it is very easy to communicate with another normal person (normal being 'the same perceptive limitations as ourselves') about the world we're in, because they share our perception of the universe. If my friend stands where I stood a moment before, he will see something so indistinguishable from what I saw that we can talk about it for hours and not find a single discrepancy between them. There are so many senses, so much data that we perceive about the world, and so much of it is identical between two people that rarely does a conflict arise. Those subjective conflicts ("Brr, I'm cold." "What, but it's nice and warm in here!") are so limited in scope that we can, for all intents and purposes, agree that we are perceiving the same world. Our perceptive world matches the real world, and we know this because we can communicate our perceptions to others and find that they match; they corroborate our reality.

The question becomes, 'What value is there in acknowledging the indirectness of our senses when these indirect senses so closely model reality?'

"What value is there in acknowledging that this window is really an invisible plate of metal, since it looks just like a pane of glass"

What insights has this view of reality led you to?

 

 

From: Steven Lehar

To: Myrddin Emrys

date  Dec 6, 2006 10:19 AM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

Hi Myrddin,

 

Thank you for your interesting email. Your key point is summarized in your opening statement:

 

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I disagree that any coherent, physical, volumetric physical spot within my mind hosts a virtual representation of the world around me. I do agree that all of my perceptions are really my perceiving the workings of my senses... I do agree that it is indirect, as you argue. But I believe that the symbols within my mind are so abstract that it's impossible to point to any one location in my mind and say 'there's the representation of a house!'. ... Even a computer genius of the highest caliber would have an impossible time understanding the purpose of a computer program by examining the physical transistors switching off and on inside a processor 

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Yes the computer genius would have trouble locating the representation of a house in the computer. Nevertheless, the house is in there, whether he can find it or not. Furthermore, if it is an *image* of a house we are talking about (and I hope you agree that our *experience* of the world appears in the form of a spatial "image") then every pixels worth of that image must be explicitly present in the computer at some location. And that information must be retrievable by the computer, for example when you ask it to print the image, in which case that representation must be accessed and unpacked or decoded in order to restore each pixel value literally in its proper location in the image.

 

Yes a computer often uses abstract symbolic codes that bear little resemblance to the image itself. For example image compression schemes, like those used in .gif and .jpg images, store image information in a very non-pictorial form. But the computer also has access to the appropriate image *decompression* algorithms required to unpack that compressed code back into a spatial image when required.

 

The question is: Does the brain's abstract coding need to be unpacked or decompressed into an explicit spatial representatation when I am having a visuospatial experience? Or is it sufficient for that experience to remain in abstract symbolic form? My argument is that when I have a spatial experience of a square, for example, my immediate (pre-attentive, pre-cognitive) experience of that square contains a separate and distinct experience of color throughout the surface of that square, and all of those points are experienced together simultaneously as a spatial continuum of a certain location, shape, and spatial extent. The *information content* of immediate experience is identical to the information content of a model of a square like a painted cardboard model in a museum diorama. That is *not* the same as the information content of a symbolic code  like square(Color: white, Size: 100, Location: (xLoc, yLoc)). That is NOT the information I am experiencing when I view a white square. That symbolic information would have to be reified with a decompression algorithm something like:

 

// Paint that square!

for(y=0; y<Size; y++){

  for(x=0; x<Size; x++){

    MyExperience[x+xLoc, y+yLoc] = white;

  }

}

 

to paint out a square as it appears in my experience. This means that there must be an "image buffer" of some sort somewhere in my brain where this scene is explicitly painted out or registered, otherwise there would be parts of my experience (specific points in that square) which are experienced, without ever being represented in my brain.

 

So there are two issues that must be disconfounded. First: Is the representation an *explicit* representation, in the sense that every pixel (or voxel) value is explicitly stored somewhere in the brain? I believe the *information content* of immediate experience argues to the affirmative. If so, then Second: Is that explicit representation necessarily spatially organized in the brain?  In other words, is the representation not only *explicit*, but also *explicitly spatial*? The second issue is more thorny.

 

We cannot tell from the structure of visual experience whether it is encoded in an explicitly spatial representation. However it is not only the structure, but also the *function* of experience that appears to involve spatial field-like operations, or spatial algorithms. For example when I dream or hallucinate a rotating cube, there is a cube-like structure in my experience that undergoes coherent spatial transformations such as translation, rotation, and spatial scaling by perspective. If these are not computed in an explicitly spatial representation, then they must at least be computed in a representation that is *functionally equivalent* to an explicitly spatial representation, so that the experienced cube jumps seamlessly from pixel to pixel *as if* they were spatially contiguous, even if they are not.

 

This argument is made more explicitly in this link:

 

http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/spatial/spatial.html

 

And some of the other objections you raise are addressed in this link:

 

http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/focal/bookcase1.html

 

Your analogy of the "invisibility window" is interesting and apt. Yes it seem hard for us to distinguish the percept from the reality if the representation is sufficiently vivid. But in fact there *is* a simple way to distinguish the percept from reality, and that is to simply close your eyes! The part that continues to exist unchanged is the objective external world, whereas the part that vanishes without a trace is the part that is subjective experience.  Like when you pull the plug on your "invisibility window" and the screen goes black, while the world beyond the screen continues to exist unchanged.

 

Furthermore, notice how your "invisibility window" is itself spatially organized in an image-like array, an explicitly spatial organization, otherwise it would be a very poor picture of the world it represents.

 

You might want to check out this PowerPoint presentation of the above arguments in one animated audio-visual presentation from my talk at the Tucson 2006 consciousness conference:

 

http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/Tucson2006/Tucson2006Narrated.pps

 

  Steve

 

 

From: Myrddin Emrys

To: Steven Lehar

date  Dec 6, 2006 4:51 PM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

You discuss your mental manipulation of an object... such as a cube. And you describe your mental processes when thinking about it... how you rotate and transform it mentally, a very exacting mental manipulation that clearly must use voxels.

I submit that your mental picture is an order of magnitude more precise and exacting than mine... in fact, I would suspect your mental imagery is vastly more detailed than most people (except those who routinely imagine three dimensional constructs in their heads... I presume in the field of sculpting and engineering this skill is relatively common). You say that you spent months of introspection trying to figure out how your mental model functions... I propose that due to these months of mental exercise, your mental machinery is no longer typical.

I am of the opinion that different people have vastly different ways of perceiving the world. I perceive it very abstractly... even in my dreams, spaces have little detail unless I focus on it. People have amorphous faces, perspective is malleable. Only in locations where I have a strong visual reference (such as the view from my porch) is there significant visual detail in my dreams.

Distance is similarly ill defined in my dreams... in fact, it is common to hear descriptions of dreams have extremely ill defined spatial relationships. People suddenly being beside you, or being unable to ever reach an objective despite walking forever. I don't think these are anomalies... I believe this is due to the ill-defined way in which we perceive distances. In most of my interaction with the world, objects are clumped into five categories of distance relative to my focus: far behind, behind, next to, in front of, and very near. These definitions are fuzzy, but unless I'm looking at a room and attempting to measure it in my mind, there is no precise spatial entity in my mind. A room could be a sphere for all I notice, with me standing on the bottom, all points equidistant. Only if I look at and focus on a corner does that corner become 'farther away' than the walls, or 'behind' the chair.

You discuss how the precision of detail follows our attention, but my own observation of my world does not match your description. For example, I'll discuss the act of sitting down.

I walk into work and look at my cubical. In it I see my chair. I can close my eyes, take a step, grab the back of the chair, swivel it, and sit down... all from memory. I know it is memory, and not a voxel model built by observation because changing the chair, or moving me to an unfamiliar room, makes this process far more difficult. Rather than being able to assuredly reach for where I know the chair to be (because muscle memory remembers how high I need to reach, how hard to push the swivel chair, how far down my butt goes before reaching the seat), I am tentative, groping for where I think the chair is, sitting down carefully, having to reassure myself by touch at every step that I am on the correct path.

But that's a discussion of the mental model I create of the world without my eyes open. WITH my eyes open, I have a different view of the world... but I still don't believe in mental voxels.

I think that our visual perception is purely two dimensional, and only our mental focus (attention, stream of consciousness, active symbols) changes that two dimensional video stream into a volumetric mental model. When not in my mental focus, the illusion of a triangle is not present (referring to the three circles/triangle illusion you use frequently), it is merely three black blobs. Even if I focus on something IN the triangle... for example, a picture of a bicycle... the triangle is not present unless I focus on the cutouts on the circle. That triangle is a creation of my attention.

I believe only the vaguest of spatial indicators exists without conscious thought... reflexive learned behaviors, like catching a ball that someone throws at me. I don't know where the ball is throughout its flight... instead, my mind reflexively determines approximately where it will be when it arrives due to neural network style training over hundreds if not thousands of objects I have caught previously.

In other words, for the vast quantity of sensory data we receive, I believe it is acted upon by our automatic and reflexive neural pathways which do not measure 'distance' or 'size', but instead measure 'from my past experience of sensory input that matches this, what motor behavior will result in the desired outcome'. Catching a ball, walking, sitting down... these are all actions we perform automatically, without thinking. I believe that these activities do not form a voxel model in our minds because our minds don't really consider the three dimensional location of the relevant objects while performing these tasks automatically.

However, if our thread of consciousness becomes involved, of course we notice. We judge where things are and where they've been retroactively from the moment our mental thread touches the object. It may be noticed strongly enough that we remember it, and then it is placed within a model of our world (at least, if that's what we are paying attention to). If I'm alphabetizing a list of books, I may not even notice anything about where a book is tossed (right side up, upside down, back up, face up), though I will assuredly notice which pile I tossed it into.

I only know things if my consciousness has touched on it. This is also born out in experiments, such as the 'gorilla walking through basketball game' experiment. The subjects did not see the person in the gorilla suit. It is such an extremely noteworthy item, of such obvious uniqueness and memorability, that it is inconceivable that they saw and dismissed the gorilla. Instead, they saw a black obstruction; an annoyance, something to try to look around while watching the basketball game. Assuredly the pixels of information were received by their eye... and certainly it was processed by the brain, but only by the reflexive portion, the neural networks... not by their thread of consciousness. Because it was not NOTICED, all the details that would be extracted from it beyond it's shape and location (reflexive properties) are not analyzed... the face is not identified as inhuman, the obstruction might not even be noticed as animate. Had the gorilla done something to attract the reflexive portion of the persons mind, such as throw something at the observer or make a threatening noise, it's much more likely it would be noticed.

Though I have not performed the experiment, I suspect that after the gorilla is noticed and identified for what it is the observer can trace back a few seconds to identify the 'black blob' that walked into their view as the gorilla, retroactively, and thus perhaps be able to give such information as when the gorilla arrived in their view.

So I believe that different people have significantly different mental processes. I am a relatively abstract thinker... my world runs on automatic more than other people, and I am not aware at all of things that my symbolic mind does not notice. 'Absent minded professor' is applicable. Other people have more awareness of their surroundings. Whether they focus more of their time on examining their senses, whether they can have multiple symbolic threads operating simultaneously, or whether they just think differently than I.

I don't doubt that we CAN observe the world and create a volumetric representation in our minds, to a certain extent. I doubt that we DO, as a normal matter of course. Perhaps you do, having practiced it for months trying to figure out how you perceive the world... but I don't think that is the normal course of events for most people.

 

 

From: Steven Lehar

To: Myrddin Emrys

date  Dec 7, 2006 6:20 AM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

 

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I think that our visual perception is purely two dimensional, and only our mental focus (attention, stream of consciousness, active symbols) changes that two dimensional video stream into a volumetric mental model.

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Wow!!! You really believe this? You see the desk in front of you, your hands on the keyboard, your body on the chair below you, all as a 2-D projection?

 

And I suppose when you view a "kinetic depth effect" stimulus, all you see is a bunch of dots moving on the flat screen?

 

http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/George_Mather/Motion/KDE.HTML

 

And all you see in this stimulus is a bunch of flat ellipses in rotation?

 

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot_ske/index.html

 

And in this stimulus all you see is a bunch of shaded patches on a flat screen?

 

http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/DepthFromShading.jpg

 

I'm sorry, but I am forced to conclude that your observations of your experience are fatally tainted by your theoretical preconceptions. Three-dimensional spatial perception is so basic and primary, to deny it is like denying that the world itself is three dimensional!

 

How would you even *know* that the world had three dimensions if your brain did not automatically and instinctively see the world as such? Why would you not believe that the world itself was 2-D?

 

I'm sorry, but if you tell me that your visual experience of the world is of a flat two-dimensional projection, then we simply have no common basis from which to debate. You and I inhabit profoundly different universes!

 

  Steve

 

 

From: Myrddin Emrys

To: Steven Lehar

date  Dec 7, 2006 12:25 PM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

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I think that our visual perception is purely two dimensional, and only our mental focus (attention, stream of consciousness, active symbols) changes that two dimensional video stream into a volumetric mental model.

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Wow!!! You really believe this? You see the desk in front of you, your hands on the keyboard, your body on the chair below you, all as a 2-D projection?

 

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And I suppose when you view a "kinetic depth effect" stimulus, all you see is a bunch of dots moving on the flat screen?

 

http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/George_Mather/Motion/KDE.HTML

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You mistake me... I said that only when I focus on an object, look at it directly, does it obtain a three dimensional aspect. In other words, when I don't pay any attention to those dots, and move them from my focal point to just off, and pay attention to the words on that page... they have no dimensionality. They are a wash of moving dots in the near periphery of my vision, and have no inherent dimensionality.

Only when I LOOK at them, or focus my attention on them (even if they are not in the focal point of my eye) does the wash of pixels obtain a three dimensional aspect.

 

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And all you see in this stimulus is a bunch of flat ellipses in rotation?

 

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot_ske/index.html

 

And in this stimulus all you see is a bunch of shaded patches on a flat screen?

 

 http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc351/Images/DepthFromShading.jpg

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Of course I see these visual illusions, and experience the false sense of depth they engender. But only when I focus on them. Try this... with the middle illusion you chose, look off to the side, do NOT focus your attention on the moving circles (that means not just a lack of eye focus, but a lack of mental attention) and tell me if there is any sense of dimensionality to the moving blob. For me, there is none at all.

 

From my experience of the world, dimensionality is a result of attention. Not necessarily of focusing my eye on something, but merely of my attention, the movement of my thread of consciousness to examine sensory input. Now, that thread of thought flits around my visual input constantly... I see movement out of the corner of my eye, and I think about it briefly, identify it as the head of a coworker walking past my row of cubes, and the dimensionality of the input is identified. This flit of thought ricochets around constantly, as fast as... er, thought. But input to which I give no thought is mere input, flat shapes, until it is identified at least semi-consciously.

I recommend this test for you. Take many flashcards, and on each flashcard put a strong visual illusion... the more vivid the better. Then, force yourself to pay attention to a video... perhaps, take a video filled with a crowd and try to count how many red shirts/coats you see. Have a third party move the flashcards into your periphery and WITHOUT removing your thread of thought from the video, does any visual illusion occur at all?

It's a difficult test. My thread of consciousness flits faster than I can control it usually. I can only identify one thing at a time, but that 'one at a time' is in excess of 5 things a second. Preventing it from identifying input is rather difficult.

And I completely agree that my experience of the world is different from yours. I think that you have yet to admit that yours is different from MANY people, and perhaps your insight into cognition is not applicable to everyone. We do not all think alike, at least, not with our conscious minds. Our reflexive thought is mostly instinctual, so in that we are probably all nearly identical.

Myrddin

 

 

From: Steven Lehar

To: Myrddin Emrys

date  Dec 8, 2006 2:15 PM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation


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For me, the moving dots become nothing but a moving blur when I'm forcing my attention to ignore them.

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Yes, me too! And for me, the moving dots disappear altogether when I close my eyes. I don't care how vision works when you *don't* pay attention to it. That is as interesting as how a computer works when the power is shut off! What is interesting is how spatial vision works when you DO attend to it, with eyes wide open, and you see a volumetric spatial experience for all the world like a 3-D model.

 

If you *don't* see a volumetric spatial experience from the moving dots in the kinetic depth effect stimulus, then I have nothing more to say to you. My theory only addresses how vision works in people who DO see a spatial world in their visual experience.

 

  Steve

 

 

From: Myrddin Emrys

To:  Steven Lehar  

date  Dec 9, 2006 9:36 AM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

I guess my point is that I don't 'see' a volumetric whole. My mind processes several visual stimuli a second (unless I'm daydreaming of course) which are held in memory, per my own introspection, in a very similar manner to one of the theories you dismissed in your powerpoint presentation. You discuss an end table in a corner, and how we do not perceive it as some kind of semantic network but as a volumetric whole.

I DO perceive it as a symbolic web... overlaid on a two dimensional video stream (my eyes). The persistent dimensionality of the world is an illusion that my mind creates, in the same manner that my mind helps me not notice my optic blind spot. Dimensionality is gained via attention, conscious thought parsing my optic input. This dimensionality is only there as long as I pay attention to or remember it... my mind does not 'retain' dimensionality in any kind of volumetric way. The volume I perceive is almost purely logical... ie, 'that is in front of that, I know that balls are round' rather than voxel (a mental model of the object(s) held within my awareness in its entirety), and though I maintain a visual reference to items that I don't pay attention to, their dimensionality is lost.

In other words, in my experience my vision is processed in a massively parallel, streaming, reflexive stream... but the dimensionality of symbolic content of my world is created by the linear, single tasking process of my consciousness.

I wanted to email because your theory does not explain how I perceive the world... its descriptions are not accurate in that respect. Much of what you describe makes perfect sense, but the mental voxel model is completely alien to my way of perceiving the world. I cannot vouch for anyone else... perhaps other people do use mental voxels. I'm certain I do not. My world is not a variable scale bubble, it's a video (and audio, and tactile, etc) stream with symbolic content overlaid. My vision is processed in parallel... three dimensional edges have a near 'luminance' to them that attracts the attention (as my vision uses parallax and stereoscopic cues to identify edges), but they are still two dimensional until my conscious mind notes them and places them within the world. Dimensionality is symbolc, not volumetric, for me.

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Yes, me too! And for me, the moving dots disappear altogether when I close my eyes. I don't care how vision works when you *don't* pay attention to it. That is as interesting as how a computer works when the power is shut off! What is interesting is how spatial vision works when you DO attend to it, with eyes wide open, and you see a volumetric spatial experience for all the world like a 3-D model.

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That doesn't make sense. On one hand you describe your perceptions of the world as a kind of volumetric mental model processed from our senses. On the other hand, my vision is processed primarily in a two dimensional way with a symbolic dimensionality. This seems to be to be a relatively clear data point outside your theory... or at least a type of visual processing you don't discuss. If anything that does not fit within your theory is uninteresting to you, then doesn't that make you out to be a kook like others have labeled you?

 

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If you *don't* see a volumetric spatial experience from the moving dots in the kinetic depth effect stimulus, then I have nothing more to say to you. My theory only addresses how vision works in people who DO see a spatial world in their visual experience.

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Except that you claim your model of vision describes how humans process vision. So far, all you have possibly proven is that it is how you process vision. Data to the contrary should be valuable, so you can refine your ideas.

In fact, I've never read anything that gives a serious discussion to the possibility that different people have vastly different ways of cognating about the world. I think there is a wider variety of 'thought' than most AI researchers believe.

Myrddin

 

 

From: Steven Lehar

To: Myrddin Emrys

date  Dec 9, 2006 12:40 PM  

subject  Re: Epistemology of Observation

 

Phenomenolgy is often criticized as being too subjective to be scientific, and this disagreement of ours, about how we experience vision, would appear to support that criticism. But scientific phenomenology is always contingent on the reader confirming the phenomenology of the author. If you don't see the world as a volumetric spatial structure, then go ahead and reject my conclusions that follow from that initial observation. In a debate between opponents like you and I, let the reader make their own judgment whether they see the world as a volumetric spatial structure, or as a series of brief and fleeting two-dimensional impressions.

This is not at all a "clear data point outside your theory" it is a difference in the initial observation on which any theory can be based. And it is bare-faced nonsense to suggest that *my* visual system operates by such different principles than the average person's that I see the world in more dimensions than they do! If I were the only one to see things in 3-D, then why is there so much interest in those Gestalt illusions where a vivid 3-D percept pops out mysteriously from what is clearly a 2-D stimulus? If *I* were the only one to see these things, how do you explain the popularity of these illusions in the literature and across the internet, and in theoretical papers about vision? They are popular because it is nothing short of *magical* how a vivid 3-D experience pops out of a 2-D stimulus, and it is that magical emergence, and how it is computed in the brain, that I wish to investigate.

You, on the other hand, seem to be dedicated to denying the very existence of the single most prominent and significant aspect of visual experience, which is that it is spatially structured. Well, even if you were right, and visual experience really is "a symbolic web... overlaid on a two dimensional video stream", then 1: How come that symbolic web overlaid on a 2-D image appears in experience as a vivid volumetric structure that is so striking in its volumetric realism that it is replicated in books and papers and web sites across the internet? How does the experience, which is supposedly experienced as a symbolic web, *seem* (at the same time?) to be a vivid spatial structure? And 2: Even if you are right, and the experience *is* actually a symbolic web overlaid on a 2-D image, then what I am interested in modeling in the brain is how that symbolic-2D experience is made to *SEEM* like a vivid 3-D structure (even though it isn't one !?!). It is the magical process of that SEEMing function that I wish to explain.

I don't deny that visual experience *can* be analyzed into components. I too can separate out the 2-D component of my 3-D experience, and I can analyze my experience into edges and colors and shapes and motions, as individual impressions. In fact under meditation, or under the influence of psychedelic substances, I have even seen the visual world fragment into a chaotic jumble of disconnected pieces, like the shards of a broken mirror. There is a condition known as visual agnosia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_agnosia ) whose sufferers see the world in this fragmented manner all the time. They see one brief visual impression after another, without ever seeing the integrated whole.

It is *easy* to explain fragmented vision, given the fragmented nature of the visual cortex, and it is *easy* to explain 2-D vision given the 2-D nature of the retina and the visual cortex. The real mystery of vision is how, given that 2-D fragmented architecture, we get to have a vivid integrated 3-D experience. THAT is the great challenge of understanding vision, and we can either face up to the problem, or we can give up, and simply deny that there is a 3-D experience that requires explanation.

If vision were as you propose, a series of brief visual impressions, then we would all suffer from visual agnosia, and like agnosics, we would stumble around half-blind.

Visual agnosia is the absence, or failure, of the visual function whose existence you so confidently deny.

It is not your vision, but your theory of vision that suffers from visual agnosia!

 

  Steve